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TLC: Refunds Possible?

R. Rex Parris wrote last night. If I do not believe I am a better lawyer as a result of TLC, I should call him and he will try to get me a refund. All else is mere noise, and I should stop my bitching.

The life the of the law is experience, not logic, Oliver Wendell Holmes Jr. taught. Hence, there is nothing that one can experience that won't make one a better lawyer, supposing one is capable of learning. Hell, getting sick with the flu gives me a better understanding of disability and emotional harm, and, empathically grasped, illness makes me a better lawyer.

So did TLC make me a better a lawyer? I had good outcomes before and after TLC, so I cannot say that it changed my effectiveness as a lawyer. I learned no law at the college, so I cannot say I left with a corpus of new legal knowledge.

But I did make new friends there, Rex among them. And I did try a few new techniques at the college. After leaving, I experimented with a few new things in courtrooms here and there. Sometimes I was effective; sometimes I wasn't. If I was a better lawyer after I left, it was in ways I do not see some ten years after walking away from it all.

I concede that the ranch was a powerful experience and experience teaches. I learned about charisma, group dynamics, the push and pull of conflicting desires and the lengths to which people will go to obtain and seek approval. These raw emotions animate the world. So I did learn things there, and those things, arguably, contributed to my general education. Much of what I see of TLC distresses me, some sickens me, but I have learned from it. On balance, then, I suppose it would be unfair to seek a refund.

But others may differ, and I make Rex's promise to seek refunds for those disappointed known to those of you who want to seek one.

I do not know if the offer of refund extends to those who have contributed money as gifts. Some contributors in a recent poll tendered gifts believing that the college owned the ranch. Among the noise the college chooses to ignore is information that the college merely leases the facility from another foundation, and that the lease is revocable on demand. What will happen if a contributor asks for a refund because they believe that they gave under false pretenses?

The college just wants justice and fairness for all. That's mere platitudinal pablum. Even prosecutors claim that, and they aren't invited to attend the college. When adversaries both say they want the same thing odds are they are saying nothing at all.

Those seeking a refund are encouraged to call Rex.
Comments (6)
Posted on October 22, 2009 at 5:57 pm by Anonymous
Rex to Norm( in TLC decoded): Wrap it up Norm, yo...
Rex to Norm( in TLC decoded): Wrap it up Norm, you got 'em to lay out their feelings, so now it is a wrap Norm, your assignment(de jure) is now complete. Norm to the board--here by way of: final word, I used you, I learned that at TLC, from Gerry Spence, what else would you expect. The upshot: Norm does not own any the time of day, he is not your NANNY, he is not your shrink, he is not your Pa or MA, or sheppard in the flock of life. He is giving you all a big gift; The great rejector, he is telling you that rejection is the TLC way, it is a gift, it is the path. So, stop your whining, accept it, and besides Rex is tired of all the crap --here, and the dead fish like posts, and the loopy writing, it is a big embarrsement to the TLC/ the Ranch. Move on, get over it, and most of all since this is the I-net: get a life, that well worn saying of Mike, who got you all looped in with his cult con come ons. but, before you leave,(cyber SPOT NORM); leave your names, own it, own all your posts, and get ready for the JUDGEMENT of the Elders at TLC/ RANCH et seq. PEACE be with you. Mirrors/ Jung, and Looking Glasses. Sick, twisted, deceptive, a con: What did you expect, did you learn nothing on your TLC experience. Get real, dudes. Grow up, wise up, stand up, don't suck up. Norm is not a Spence Toady, and the tooth fairy has the best Easter eggs, when the Savior Rises from his grave. Believe it, Norm sucked you in like the lemmings your are.

Posted on October 22, 2009 at 5:06 pm by Anonymous
Well Norm, looks like all it took was for Rex to p...
Well Norm, looks like all it took was for Rex to post on your blog for you to throw in the towel. Very sad. That Rex sure has the power!

Posted on October 22, 2009 at 12:05 pm by Anonymous
Please reserve a SPACE: FOR:
Boy--- E-- George, th...
Please reserve a SPACE: FOR:
Boy--- E-- George, the attorney for the Guess Jeans Diamond King, can any openings be reserved for him(TLC Methods), after Rex wailed his arse royally, scoring a $ 370 million L A bath soaking beating.
However, like that illusive "opportunity cost" thing it is not money in the bank so far.
Judge White said people in her court were crying their eyes out at how the JEAN king was out to destroy employees, alleged to have stolen art work, not proved up.
Actually, the site is kind of a reunion spot for the old grads, Norm being the toady to stroke Rex's ego, Cowen, getting a thrill on the baton stuck up a man in custody's arse, played by Norm, of course, and all the crap laid bear, as if some sheep deep up near Dubois.
Norm is basically a toady for the Rex intercircle, he is playing like he is not the
psycho-drama queen of dismissivness, and
he still wants that stamp of approval, TLC on his logo.
All the lectures, and sermons on toady things take a new twist, after a new mix of kool aid is served under the bright mirrors installed at the Conn-NY delli.

Posted on October 22, 2009 at 11:32 am by Michael Cowen
While TLC is not perfect, it certainly was a good ...
While TLC is not perfect, it certainly was a good deal for the money. I can say I am a better lawyer for having attended. And the cost--for what at the time was a 31-day program--was a bargain.

Actually, it was worth the money just to see Norm do his first person opening from the perspective of a plunger from the Abner Louima case.

Michael Cowen

Posted on October 22, 2009 at 8:29 am by Anonymous
I hear the purging and bloodletting will continue....
I hear the purging and bloodletting will continue. Heard last night that TLC is drastically reducing its use of Joshua Karton and that he is only going to be invited to one single regional in 2010 and to the full college program. I don't know about anyone else, but I probably learned more from Joshua than anyone else at TLC. He is real and genuine. He truly cares. I went to both of the programs that featurd him, in Lake Arrowhead and earlier this month at the ranch. They were incredible! Too bad he isn't valued by the new administration and they will be reducing his use. It really makes me sick. Guess Spence can't stand that so many of us love Joshua.

As for refunds, if TLC misled donors into contributing, they have some serious problems legally.

Posted on October 22, 2009 at 7:58 am by Anonymous
Since you never gave a big donation
to TLC, you, n...
Since you never gave a big donation
to TLC, you, nevertheless extend
Rex's offer to Morris Dees on refunds, as to
his donation, etc ?
All just noise, and crap, as the economy
burns, in some's view.
Rex is pretty much saying all comments
here are an utter waste of time.
I will make donations, else where-- in
the future, not to TLC.
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